Controversial Topics

[TrickierHades]

This a thread to talk about your opinions and beliefs about many things. Any thing from death to religion to politics.
Also if you are gonna be hostile to people saying what they think:

Please remember to be polite enough and to speak freely.
So let's begin, where?

 

[CO BOARDERS]

I cannot see vids or pics on my work PC but I will check this thread out later. I am more Gnostic, though I do understand and approciate both Theist and Atheist points of view.

 

[FrozenGoathead]

No prosecution of HSBC bank.

Just goes to show how shitty the banking and justice system are.

 

[TrickierHades]

No prosecution of HSBC bank.

Just goes to show how shitty the banking and justice system are.

yes, I agree.

 

[CO BOARDERS]

Yeah banks got away with alot, but what else is new? lol.

I must admit I got out of a bad mortgage with nothing out of my pocket because HSBC screwed it up and I decided to go the foreclosure route at the right time during the height of the "crisis".

Now, IMO, if you want to talk nonsences, the "crisis" of the recent recesion was completely media and socially induced. 70s and 1990 area was much worse.

 

[TrickierHades]

Have you guys heard of this recently? Tell me your thoughts.

 

[CO BOARDERS]

What is that vid about? Can't see it at work...

 

[blaze1514]

How about the recent gun control controversy, any takers

 

[CO BOARDERS]

How about the recent gun control controversy, any takers

I really hate topics such as these because, in truth, 90% (random number) of people really agree on most every issue. It is the special interest, lobbyists, and people who make the money that make us feel divided in contrived details.

That said, I would assert that "90%" of people have no problem with a ban of military style assault weapons and high capicty clips. Anyone who thinks a couple AK-47s or M-16s are going to keep them safe from some fictional paranoid military invasion of their homes is out of their mind. Not to mention that 99% of all military personel are hardcore gun advocates and 2nd ammendment supporters. There is a better chance of aliens landing and taking your guns.

I personally support the ban (that we already once had and expired under Bush Jr.) currently presented by the President. The only reason to own these things is to "feel cool" and "just because you can". Well speeding and drunk driving are no different, and just as potentially reckless and deadly to yourself, your loved ones, and the public in general.

My .02

 

[CO BOARDERS]

As an add on food for thought kind of thing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

USA is #10 worst in the world in firearm-related death rates. We are around such lovely cultures as Chili, Columbia, and Panama, with a total firearm-related death rate of 10.2.

In contrast:

Japan .07
United Kingdom .25
Poland .26
Netherlands .46
Spain .63
India .93
Ireland 1.03
Italy 1.28

 

[TravisTheShadow]

How about the recent gun control controversy, any takers

I think what they're doing is stupid. My idea for this problem? Military grade psyche exams for anybody that wants to purchase "assault" weapons. Now, no offense to any veterans out there that have been in conflicts, but this idea does include you, if for no other reason than because of PTSD.

 

[CO BOARDERS]

I think what they're doing is stupid. My idea for this problem? Military grade psyche exams for anybody that wants to purchase "assault" weapons. Now, no offense to any veterans out there that have been in conflicts, but this idea does include you, if for no other reason than because of PTSD.

I agree that would probably solve a good chunk of the gun violence in America, but it will never happen due to the cost of such a program, and the deeper cut into the 2nd amendment rights.

 

[TravisTheShadow]

I agree that would probably solve a good chunk of the gun violence in America, but it will never happen due to the cost of such a program, and the deeper cut into the 2nd amendment rights.

That is a very valid point my friend. Oh well, atleast someone think my idea's good

 

[CoreKeyblade]

Just bringing my views on the gun ban to the debate
Personally, I feel Obama's in a tough situation, as whichever option he goes for I feel he'l be creating unnecessary unpopularity for himself. I feel America's access to guns isn't as much of a problem as its views on guns. I feel there very relaxed views and some consider them toys or objects to be used at ones leisure, not a device that is capable if doing great harm.
If people are going to commit a massacre, then a gun ban isn't going to stop them.
It's stupidly hard to get access to guns here in Britain, yet mass shootings still occur occasionally. From what i know Canada has similar laws on guns as America yet hasn't apparently had a major gun crime in 20 years. It's the way people are raised around them,
Not the access to it itself.

 

[blaze1514]

I really hate topics such as these because, in truth, 90% (random number) of people really agree on most every issue. It is the special interest, lobbyists, and people who make the money that make us feel divided in contrived details.

That said, I would assert that "90%" of people have no problem with a ban of military style assault weapons and high capicty clips. Anyone who thinks a couple AK-47s or M-16s are going to keep them safe from some fictional paranoid military invasion of their homes is out of their mind. Not to mention that 99% of all military personel are hardcore gun advocates and 2nd ammendment supporters. There is a better chance of aliens landing and taking your guns.

I personally support the ban (that we already once had and expired under Bush Jr.) currently presented by the President. The only reason to own these things is to "feel cool" and "just because you can". Well speeding and drunk driving are no different, and just as potentially reckless and deadly to yourself, your loved ones, and the public in general.

My .02

The reason we have those weapons is because in the the Constitution (the supreme law of America), it states that our citizens should be just as able to get weapons as the military.

So I'm all for it if they can change it in Constitution. It is possible. Until then I see it as the government braking its own laws

 

[CO BOARDERS]

The reason we have those weapons is because in the the Constitution (the supreme law of America), it states that our citizens should be just as able to get weapons as the military.

So I'm all for it if they can change it in Constitution. It is possible. Until then I see it as the government braking its own laws

I can see and appreciate that point. Unfortuntly I do not think that any of this current day either pros or cons were ever envisioned at that time. Likely the true story line and dilemma of the early 21st century.

PS. What is the in the constitution about turrets rocket launchers and tanks???

 

[TravisTheShadow]

What is the in the constitution about turrets rocket launchers and tanks???

Civilians can't purchase "turrets rocket launchers and tanks" contrary to popular opinion, assault weapons aren't fully automatic, they're semi-auto. Meaning you can keep pulling the trigger or put it in bursts. Yes, it's unneeded, but banning them isn't going stop the bad guys from getting them.

 

[CO BOARDERS]

Civilians can't purchase "turrets rocket launchers and tanks" contrary to popular opinion, assault weapons aren't fully automatic, they're semi-auto. Meaning you can keep pulling the trigger or put it in bursts. Yes, it's unneeded, but banning them isn't going stop the bad guys from getting them.

I disagree to an extent as we have not defined what a bad guy is. Is a husband who goes into a jealous rage and kills his wife a bad guy or did hebecome a bad guy through use of the gun? Would she still be alive if he did not have access to a gun?

If a bullied kid has to either fight with his fists or wits a good guy? Is the one who can get his dads shotgun to go to school and kill his bullies a bad guy? What is the differenece?

 

[TravisTheShadow]

I disagree to an extent as we have not defined what a bad guy is. Is a husband who goes into a jealous rage and kills his wife a bad guy or did hebecome a bad guy through use of the gun? Would she still be alive if he did not have access to a gun?

If a bullied kid has to either fight with his fists or wits a good guy? Is the one who can get his dads shotgun to go to school and kill his bullies a bad guy? What is the differenece?

I have no rebutle for that. You have a valid point my friend.

 

[CoreKeyblade]

I disagree to an extent as we have not defined what a bad guy is. Is a husband who goes into a jealous rage and kills his wife a bad guy or did hebecome a bad guy through use of the gun? Would she still be alive if he did not have access to a gun?

If a bullied kid has to either fight with his fists or wits a good guy? Is the one who can get his dads shotgun to go to school and kill his bullies a bad guy? What is the differenece?

The difference is morality my freind, if a person kills for selfish reasons such as money or personal gain, I'd consider them "a bad guy" as would most people, self defence however is a different matter, If a person is acting in self defence, then generally, there desire is not to kill, just to ward the attacker from doing it again (such as a confrontation with a school bully) the death of the offender is normally due to there own ignorance.
MODERN soldiers are a good example of, they use guns everyday, however they never fire unless ether fired upon, or if a target is confirmed threat to themselves then others. They always try to take alive if nessasary (hell they where willing to take bin-laden alive!) they only kill if given no other option...